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Cup favourite Septimus in doubt for race
By Mike Hedge
17:20 AEST Sun Nov 2 2008
Septimus' owners don't want the Cup track too firm.
Connections of favourite Septimus are threatening to withdraw the horse from the Melbourne Cup.


  Have your say on the track condition issue.

The Melbourne Cup is in danger of being thrown into turmoil following a threat by the connections of the favourite Septimus to withdraw the horse from Tuesday's race if the Flemington track is too firm.

In the annual bid by foreign connections to get track conditions to suit their horses, the Magnier family that part-owns Septimus and is the major force behind the worldwide Coolmore racing and breeding empire, announced Sunday they would not risk Septimus on an "unsafe" track.

"We want safe ground," said Coolmore's Australian representative Tom Magnier.

"We want to walk out of here with a horse.

"We want to look after Septimus, we don't want to risk him."

A son of Coolmore's champion sire Sadler's Wells, Septimus is rated Europe's best stayer and is a valuable stud proposition.

His trainer Aidan O'Brien walked the Flemington track after Saturday's Derby Day meeting and immediately expressed concern.

The track had been rated a "dead four" at the start of the 10-race card, but had firmed up considerably by the time the final event was run some seven hours later.

O'Brien said he considered Saturday's track to be too firm for Septimus.

He plans to walk the Cup course on Monday before making any decision.

But the call for a track in the dead range for the Cup, which will be run around five hours into the card and at around 24 hours after it is watered, seems destined to fall on deaf ears at the Victoria Racing Club.

Track manager Mick Goody said he would not prepare a track that was any different from the one he presented for Saturday's Derby.

Showers are forecast for Melbourne between now and Tuesday, but it is likely they would confuse the issue rather than resolve it.

In the absence of worthwhile rain, Goody said he would not prepare the track at the request of any trainer.

"Damien Oliver came to me after the last race yesterday and told me the track was perfect," Goody said.

The issue of track ratings is a thorny one that has been played out several times by another Irish trainer, Dermot Weld.

But Weld, who will saddle the heavily-backed Cup runner Profound Beauty, is unusually quiet on the subject this year.

It isn't only the internationals who have attempted to influence the preparation of the Cup course.

Three years ago, Lee Freedman made a similar threat in relation to Makybe Diva before being assured on race morning the track was suitable and the champion mare went on to record a history-making third win.

The heavy backing for Profound Beauty has forced her price in from $16 a week ago to $9 Saturday night after she drew barrier two.

TAB Sportsbet reported a bet of $20,000 on the mare at $12 with the agency also fielding a bet on the Geelong Cup winner Bauer that could cost them $420,000.

All the international runners appeared on the track at Sandown on Sunday with the O'Brien team asked to do the most work.

The trio of Septimus, Alessandro Volta and Honolulu strode over 1600m before a stronger 1200m canter, the three horses finishing on terms.

Septimus retained favouritism after Saturday night's barrier draw and is a $4.50 chance with Tab Sportsbet, ahead of Mad Rush at $5 and the New Zealander Nom De Jeu at $9.

Mad Rush and his stablemate Bauer worked nicely Sunday with the latter being set the more demanding task.

Their trainer Luca Cumani put his wife Sarah on the horse Sunday and received a positive report while Mad Rush was ridden, as usual, by his daughter Francesca.

Cumani said he was satisfied with the condition of his horses who have both run outstanding races at their only Australian appearances.

Weld, the only European trainer to have won the Melbourne Cup, said Profound Beauty is in the race a year earlier than he would have liked.

But the attraction of carrying only 51.5kg in a race he was won twice swayed him toward bringing the mare, who is a four-year-old to northern hemisphere time.

Profound Beauty set a track record for 2800m when winning a Listed race at Leopardstown at her second last start, a victory that was her third from only 10 starts.

"Next year was going to be her year," Weld said.

"But she has a good weight so we decided to take our chance."

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I can't see why any track should be changed for any particular horse.Every horse has it's own preference so why should we cater to just one? There are 21 others running too!
MAKABYES MOB ALLOWED MUST HAVE BEEN EFFLUENT SOMETHING SMELLY GOING ON THERE
Queeno of Perth....There are no Alligators in Africa! Keep researching.!
just race god dammit get it over and done with win or lose it will be a great day for all. have faith in your horse and not yourself.
Whats next? Laying out a red carpet when they stroll off the plane? If the handlers of Septimus dont like the trak condition then they should withdraw from the cup. The other 21 competitors dont seem to be making an issue of it.
They did for Makybe Diva... but it would be unaustralian to do it for anyone from overseas... the racing bureaucracy is a joke. They should never have done it for Makybe and they should never do it for anyone...
Just To inform some of your less educated posters, Septimus and owners are not Pom or whatever derogatory term you have for English people, they are in fact from the home of horse racing, the beautiful green swath of Ireland. The funny thing is Aidan and the lads are only to pull the wool over your simple eyes and play down his horse’s chance. They could run on the sand of Bondi or the coals of hell and any of the Irish horse travelling would still wipe the arrogant smirk off your Aussie faces just like when ye decide to play fair in the International Rules.....COM'ON THE IRISH!!!!
I am sure this was also done for Vintage Crop as I can recall the annoyance of many of those in the trade downunder. The problem is not the horse , the trainers ,the workers ...it is the A***l***n people within the establishment who seem hell bent on pleasing any and every whim of visiting sports personalities to the detriment of the locals and to the sports they supposedly represent.Australia is arguably the best nation at running sporting events...Suggest we keep the Melbourne Cup local and run a truly International World Cup Carnival.This could be run during any of the major carnivals(Perhaps in each state annually).I would bet that many sponsers would jump on board.It would do the tourist and the racing industry proud instead of diluting an Australian iconic event.
yes the track should be watered, not for septimus, not for any horse but for all the horses, a good track in aus is equivilant to a hard track in europe etc, work it out, no smart trainer is going to risk a horse on a track, known to break legs, ask mumify how its going today??????? busted *** multi million dollar has been............. wake up fleminton, you have a international race, make it an international track!
Why not water the track down a bit for the comfort of all the horses? It wouldn't hurt and why make them run on a rock hard track anyway? I can't see a problem with wetting it down a bit.
Who gives a rats *** about watering the track? Show me any other sport where you are allowed to whip or beat an animal? Do that to an animal at your own home and they will lock you up, so why do we still have such a fascination over horse racing? Bloody pathetic sport.
No why water the track to suit one horse, there are other horses running in the race too. What is so special about Septimus and why should he get preferential treatment? Why should track conditions be tailor-made to suit him? It's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of.
I say lets leave it up to God
Septimus who?, Didn't even know there was a racehorse named Septimus, you poms should get over yourselves & deal with the conditions that you know will confront you when you come to Australia. It's not as if I don't do a bit of home work before I go for a trip to Africa & know there are man eating lions & alligators over there. If i decide to go there, I choose to deal with the conditions that confront me. Why can't you whinging poms take responsibilty for your decisions & deal with the conditions that our great country has to offer, & for a cool 5 mil, who wouldn't
wouldnt that come under the class of race fixing .
No way should they water the track for Septimus. Besides the fact that we are in a drought, it will disadvantage all of the other runners. If they aren't happy, scratch the horse !!!!!!!!!!!
When trainers and their horses' connections gain entrance into such a meeting as the "Melbourne Cup", all are on level pegging. Barring genuine injury or sudden confirmed illness, the track is maintained by the ground staff at Flemington as set out in the race course's upkeep rules. Who cares where the horse comes from, local or imported? It seems to me that the best runner ON THE DAY for the Cup Wins! Good luck to all!
We have a quaint saying here....don't let the door hit you on the a*se on the way out! Deadset, *** trying to hold the Melbourne Cup to randsom!
This reminds me of 05, where the connections of Makybe Diva were unsure of her running if the track was too hard. What did the turf club do? Water the track 3 times on seperate occasions before the race. But that was the Diva, a peoples horse, one that revived the publics interest in Horse racing. Meh, let them water the track. Septimus probably wont win unless there is a pacemaker in the race. And the officials have made it clear to Aiden O'brien and all the intl jockeys that it will not be tolerated in our country.
According to the latest news Septimus will run, however the fact they have made a huge fuss over him not running is ridiculous. The track should not be watered to cater for the needs of one un proven horse - and even if he had won everything in the lead up over here etc etc it would be highly unfair for the rest of the field. I believe a large part of the skill envolved in winning the cup is beating the conditions, great horses have won in the rain and on the firm. I am still not convinced this horse is what they talk him up to be.
Maybe they should call the trainer's bluff and not water the track and see if it still runs. If it doesn't run then it's going to be a hotly contested race and may be won 'by a nose'. Wouldn't that be better for the sport than cutting every blade of grass to the favourite's liking and have it win by 5 lengths?
Get off the grass!! Let nature take it's course. If it rains (doubt that much would anyway) they get a track that would suite their horse. If not then take what you get. If the favorite liked a dry hard track and it rained, would the VRC get in super soakers and helicopters to dry the track out?? I think not... Go hard or go home..
Horse owners make an investment when they purchase a horse. That investment is made like all investments with "an element of risk". So when start time arrives nature should be allowed to dictate what the combatants will have to contend with. If the connections have entered their horse and on the day of the race they withdraw due to ground conditions (to protect their investment) then they should be penalised heavily for all the disruption to the various betts that have been laid and for the fact that their horse has taken up a position that another syndicate would have been more than happy to occupy. One should never forget that the greatest batsmen of all time confronted not only the opposition but nature on uncovered wickets and since they started covering wickets not one person has even come close.
Now you know why they call them "whinging poms" - if they can't train their horse to run in any conditions then it's simple - don't bring it here - how dare they - this is Australia - not Mother England or Dubai or wherever they are coming from - we certainly don't go to their country and complain about the state of the race track - maybe we complain about the weather- too wet - too cold - no sun - but hey this is the Melbourne Cup and it is Australia and if you don't like it - go home -
who needs their horses!! geez, like it's our Melburne Cup. Leave them to their mud heap in " the ol' dart" and invent their own cup. Give us a break!!
Like the whole of the nation really stops for one race! How much money is lost? Probably enough to pay for all of Rudd's handouts with out going into deficit. Back to the question...No...if the horse can't run on what the curators have prepared...let it go home!
The horse cannot be called a Champion if he neds the track watered to suit him. The groundsman would have to change the track suuface every 3 or 4 days to suit the trainer Rubbish.
so now you want to water the race track to suit 1 horse, mmm. so next time it is *** down with rain, who will hold up the umberellas so that the conditions suit another horse. get a grip, if you dont like warm weather dont come here.
The VRC should have a clear and transparent set of procedures when it comes to the track. This should be displayed to the owners, trainers and public alike. One thing not mentioned yet is that there has already been a huge amount of "all in" betting by punters and the antics of these trainers puts the punters' bet in jeapordy if they the trainers don't get their own way and scratch their horse. It also effects the odds going forward as punters may not wager on the horse that is threatened to be scratched. The punters need to be looked after because it is them that keep the sport going.
No, the track should be presented in a state that is safe and gives all of thge runners a fair chance. This one comes up every year from the overseas people who bring horses that like a bog. Do you think the English, Irish or French would alter their tracks to suit one of our horses... not a chance. They come to Australia to race in Australian conditions, they should just suck it up and do it.

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